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Plan B

19 May 2017 22:44:51

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As some of you may know, I have a rather wild garden - mainly perennials and lots of self seeders that I don't control enough so I planned to develop a formal part to contrast with all the madness. This has been in the pipeline for a number of years and I got the hard lanscaping done last year and the box hedge planted.

I wasn't sure for a long time what I would plant in the 4 squares inside the box but then I thought I might try shrub roses again.

This plan was further revised when I was at a talk by Dermot O' Neill recently where he featured a slide depicting a mass planting of Iceberg shrub roses. I queried Dermot about whether they were repeat flowering which I think is essential in this situation. 9I forgot to find out from him if they were scented.)

Suffice ' to say that he recommended this variety and I thought I made a decision that I would stick to white and go after the afermentioned Rosa 'Iceberg'. I calculated that I would need between 12 to 16 plants.

Well, to make a long story short, I quickly found out that it is not possible to buy that number of any one rose in most garden centres at this time of year as they have all ordered whatever roses they are getting in in Oct/Nov.

That is when I decided on "Plan B" - plant up the sections with white cosmos 'Purity' this year and order the roses in the Autumn. I set about buying and sowing the cosmos and they obligingly germinated straight away.

This evening I potted on 34 seedlings and only need another 2 which I have waiting. I think Plan B might just work out....


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Fleurette Fleurette 19 May 2017 23:04:18

Brilliant, Moya.  You just have to laugh.  Just been watching Versailles.  And when I look at your picture, what do I think of?  Why Versailles of course,  You will have to call it the "Versailles bed"  

By coincidence, a guy who called here today, the retired hd gardener of Cawdor Castle, Inverness, was advising me to look for the following bedding rose: " Little White Pet" fragrant and repeat flowering.  One of its parents was Félicité Perpetué.  A David Austin rose apparently.  

If you change your mind and go for this one, I wonder if Inishowen Nursery would order for you? 


Moya Moya 19 May 2017 23:27:29

Hi Margot, R. 'Little White Pet' sounds great. I certainly would consider it. The David Austin roses are usually about €20 each which is a bit of a drawback when buying so many - also it needs to be tall enough to stand above the box hedging. I'll have a think about it. I would love to see it in full bloom.

'Winchester Cathedral' is another option and I'm also wondering if I should get 4 standards to give some height in each square.

There is the fact that if I get it wrong I probably won't be able to plant roses there again because of the rose sickness phenomenon and there is the concern that the soil might not be good enough....oh decisions, decisions....


Fleurette Fleurette 19 May 2017 23:33:48

I quite understand, Moya, especially as neither you (nor I) have the resources of "Le Roi Soleil". 

my afternoon visitor also mentioned R. Dublin Bay, a modern climber that would fit on a  tripod thingy.  Fragrant, repeat .  


Eilish Eilish 20 May 2017 00:36:00

Whay a great idea, those beds will look lovely planted up with white cosmos.


JoanG JoanG 20 May 2017 00:49:19

Sounds like a good plan Moya and will let you see how white roses might look in that space before you invest.  Whatever you choose, I'm sure they will be lovely.  I grow one solitary Rosa 'Iceberg' and find that it is lightly scented and usually flowers in June/July and again in late August/September. 


sallysarah sallysarah 20 May 2017 06:37:29

I love R. Iceberg - only light perfumed though!!!   I have R. Dublin Bay growing up against a shed and a trellis in my garden - could be toooooo wayward for your design, Moya!  As Joan G says, the white Cosmos is a good plan to start with.


Jackie Jackie 20 May 2017 08:20:35

Oh wow that'll look fantastic filled with whatever you choose. I agree with Joan too, once those white Cosmos go in you will get a good idea of what the roses might look like. Don't forget lots of photos so we can see it. 


Gracedieu Lass Gracedieu Lass 20 May 2017 21:33:42

The garden looks wonderful and the cosmos will be brilliant all through the summer. Looking forward to seeing photos of it in full flower.


DeclanTipp DeclanTipp 20 May 2017 21:42:59

Cosmos are brill and will look lovely in that setting . I've 4 trays of Cosmos seedlings so if you require more let me know ! 


TheH (Hazel) TheH (Hazel) 20 May 2017 23:18:12

Definitely the Cosmos! How about getting four of your chosen rose (whichever you decide upon) and taking lots of cuttings? I'm no expert at cuttings but I find that roses really seem to be quite easy! You could fill in the gaps with Cosmos until your cuttings got to flowering size - usually their second year!


Moya Moya 21 May 2017 00:44:03

Thanks Hazel. That's not a bad idea. I was looking up the price of standard R. 'Winchester Cathedral' and it is €40!!

Thank you Decky - that's very generous of you.

Thanks Mary and Jacky - I will certainly post photos of it when in bloom.

Thanks Eilish for the encouragement.

Joan and Sallysarah - it's great to hear of your experience with 'Iceberg' - it helps in the deciding process.


Keego Keego 22 May 2017 14:00:53

That sounds lovely Moya - I remember seening something similiar done in the Bay garden in Wexford they had planted just white Cosmos along with Diascia Personata in between Box hedging ( I think) it looked wonderful. I know this is mixing another plant in but just entering it into the mix!!


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